they go up as a matter of law. and i believe then he can talk about spending with a thank you congress in january. so i believe that the president is not ernest in trying to make a deal because if he was, a deal would have been had long ago. kelly: but, when you say that, that he is not ernest, one would argue that the republicans have not been ernest either. you have congressman boehner, house speaker, going to make a deal and having recalcitrant republicans on the other side saying we don't like this deal and go back for something else. so we come up with a plan b that fails. and now the president says we'll take a christmas break. everybody drink some eggnog, sing some christmas cheer, get with your families and come back and realize something has to be done. doesn't sound like to me wants to really see a fiscal cliff happen. >> the problem is, go ahead. >> i think he is being realistic. he put a lot on the table including cuts to social security that people in his own party are staunchly against. he has put a l